February 22, 2026

What if the Great American Novelist Doesn’t Write Novels?

 

 

 

Frederick Wiseman’s documentary films offer an unparalleled, panoramic vision of society. His 45th feature, “City Hall,” is on PBS this month — and he’s eager to get back to work. 

 

i gave Frederick Wiseman a call on the morning of Election Day. It was 3 in the afternoon his time, in Paris, where he keeps a small apartment at Les Récollets, a Franciscan friary built in 1603 and converted four centuries later into housing for visiting artists and scholars. Wiseman’s home — and wife, Zipporah, and production company, also named Zipporah — all remain in Cambridge, Mass. But he has found Paris, a city he has been enamored of since the 1950s, when he enrolled in law classes at the Sorbonne to secure an early Army discharge, amenable to his creative process, and he has edited several of his films there. In mid-March, he finished the sound mix for “City Hall,” his 45th feature, just as Emmanuel Macron announced a national lockdown. As fall arrived, with his new four-and-a-half-hour documentary opening at largely virtual film festivals (Venice, New York, Toronto) to rapturous reviews, Wiseman, who in a normal year would have walked one or more of the red carpets, remained sidelined in France, thousands of miles from his family and unable to begin his next project. It was the first time in 55 years he hadn’t been working on a film, Wiseman told me. When I asked how he’d been holding up, he noted flatly, “Well, in addition to being scared, I’m bored.” His doctors had advised him not to fly, “primarily,” he said, “because I’m of the age Covid likes.” Wiseman will celebrate his 91st birthday on New Year’s Day.

The fact that Wiseman’s half-century-long project is a series of cinéma-vérité documentaries about American institutions, their titles often reading like generic brand labels — “High School,” “Hospital,” “The Store,” “Public Housing,” “State Legislature” — makes its achievement all the more remarkable but also easier to overlook. Beginning with “Titicut Follies” (1967), a portrait of a Massachusetts asylum for the criminally insane that remains shocking to this day, Wiseman has directed nearly a picture a year, spending weeks, sometimes months, embedded in a strictly demarcated space — a welfare office in Lower Manhattan, a sleepy fishing village in Maine, the Yerkes Primate Research Center at Emory University, the flagship Neiman Marcus department store in Dallas, the New York Public Library, a shelter for victims of domestic violence in Tampa, Fla., a Miami zoo — then editing the upward of a hundred hours of footage he brings home into an idiosyncratic record of what he witnessed. Taken as a whole, the films present an unrivaled survey of how systems operate in our country, with care paid to every line of the organizational chart.

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“Titicut Follies,” 1967.Credit...Zipporah Films

They also represent the work of an artist of extraordinary vision. The films are long, strange and uncompromising. They can be darkly comic, uncomfortably voyeuristic, as surreal as any David Lynch dream sequence. There are no voice-overs, explanatory intertitles or interviews with talking heads, and depending on the sequence and our own sensibility, we may picture the ever-silent Wiseman as a deeply empathetic listener or an icy Martian anthropologist.

Wiseman has given hundreds of interviews over the years while remaining fairly circumspect about the meaning of his work. An essay he contributed to the catalog of his 2010 Museum of Modern Art retrospective begins: “I do not like to write about myself or my films. I am not sure I understand the films, and I know that I do not understand myself.” Over the course of multiple conversations, Wiseman insisted he had no special knowledge about American politics or our recent period of institutional precarity — that indeed he possessed no penetrating insights regarding institutions, plural, aside from the places he’s actually filmed. “Almost everything runs counter to cliché,” he said. “So I’m reluctant to utter my profundities unless I have some experience.”

There’s a way, though, to look at three of his most recent films as a loose trilogy about our current state of national affairs. For “In Jackson Heights” (2015), Wiseman spent weeks in the Queens neighborhood, one of the most ethnically diverse in the United States, where by some estimates 167 different languages are spoken. “Monrovia, Indiana” (2018), on the other hand, took him to the sort of red-state town where coastal reporters like to visit the local diner to talk to natives about their exotic voting preferences, though Wiseman does none of that (and national politics never even directly comes up in the film). And then there’s “City Hall,” which will premiere on PBS on Dec. 22, and which offers what amounts to, by the standards of a Wiseman film, a fairly conspicuous rebuke of the past four years of White House iniquity, simply by presenting municipal employees at every level of a local government — switchboard operators, sanitation workers, building inspectors, parking-ticket adjudicators, an eviction-prevention task force, a justice of the peace — fulfilling their duties with modesty, a baseline of professionalism and no obvious grift.

When Wiseman’s face came onto my laptop screen for the first time, he appeared to be in a garret. In the background, I could make out rough-hewed ceiling beams, a window, a messy bookshelf. His friend and longtime Cambridge neighbor Christopher Ricks, the English literary scholar and critic, told me he’d once heard Wiseman described as a Jewish leprechaun. I could see it. The sly expression, the slightness of stature, the ears befitting a fable. We spoke for nearly two hours that day, and as the Parisian afternoon advanced, light began to pour through the window directly behind him, casting his face into ever-deepening shadow. Occasionally he would lean forward, silhouetting himself entirely but for some unruly wisps of gray hair, which glowed like a nimbus. I wondered if he’d framed the shot this way on purpose, the better to mask his expression whenever it suited him.

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“Law and Order,” 1969.Credit...Zipporah Films

A Wiseman film comprises a series of vignettes, often self-contained. The scenes can be dramatic, and at times quite disturbing: the crew-cut inmate in a tank top offhandedly confessing to raping his daughter during a therapy session six minutes into “Titicut Follies,” or the white plainclothes officer taking sadistic pleasure in choking a Black prostitute during her arrest in “Law and Order” (1969), a film the Safdie brothers have cited as an influence. (The presence of two of his colleagues, who view the violence coolly, interjecting only to taunt the victim, makes the scene all the more unsettling.) More typical Wiseman moments are less explosive, though. In fact, the pacing and duration of his sequences, their patience — unusual by the standards of most film and television today, of course, but even of 50 years ago — tends to mess with a viewer’s sense of time. This might be the greatest barrier to entry when it comes to Wiseman’s work, along with the films’ overall lengths, which can often run between three and five hours. (“Near Death,” his 1989 film about critically ill patients in the intensive-care unit of Boston’s Beth Israel Hospital, is two minutes shy of six.)

While multiepisode documentary and podcast series have numbed us to egregiously padded and overlong nonfiction narratives, Wiseman’s films aren’t teasing or manipulative in that way, though you may find yourself wondering: Why am I watching this small-town Lions Club meeting about park benches? (An actual scene from “Monrovia, Indiana.”) Wait, now we’re at a grocery store, and people are just grocery shopping, silently? (Same.) Wiseman delights in presenting his audiences with scenes rarely encountered in film, which are sometimes the opposite of dramatic, putting frames around moments that in real life might tempt you to reach for your phone and sneakily multitask: school lectures, visits from plumbers or exterminators, politicians giving abbreviated stump speeches at buffet luncheons, meetings (so many meetings!). But it turns out there is a drama to all of it; if you can settle into the careful rhythms of Wiseman’s editing, you’ll find his films have an accretive power. As the director Ava DuVernay noted in an interview with Manohla Dargis a few years ago, “The way his camera moves and what it’s interested in, I’m interested in, even though I didn’t know I was interested in it until he looked at it, until he showed it to me.”

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“Monrovia, Indiana,” 2018.Credit...Zipporah Films

Wiseman is making films “for perhaps the most impatient age that has ever been,” Ricks told me. “Unconscionable impatience. What Matthew Arnold spoke about: our sick hurry, our divided aims. Now, this sick hurry is terrible. And Fred stands against that vagary beautifully.”

As unmediated as Wiseman’s footage can feel, themes emerge over time. “Welfare” (1975), with its granular details of how a welfare agency operated back then and a parade of amazing New York characters — the unaccountably nonchalant back-and-forth between a racist white drunk applying for housing aid and an imperturbable Black security guard remains one of the most riveting 14 minutes of dialogue in any film I can think of — works as a document of a specific time and place. But in part because we don’t know the names or back stories of any of Wiseman’s subjects, aside from what they might reveal in the moment, a waiting room filled with desperate people hoping for relief inevitably shades toward the metaphorical as well, conjuring a scene from Kafka or Beckett — a subtext made text near the end of the film, when a ranting client shouts at a caseworker: “I’ve been waiting for the last 124 days, since I got out of the hospital. Waiting for something. Godot? You know what happened in the story of Godot? He never came. That’s what I’m waiting for, something that will never come.” (When that happened in front of his rolling camera, Wiseman told me, “I felt I’d led a clean, moral life and God was rewarding me.”)

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“Welfare,” 1975.Credit...Zipporah Films

The filmmaker Laura Poitras, who won an Oscar in 2015 for her documentary “Citizenfour,” said that seeing “Titicut Follies” as a student at the San Francisco Art Institute had been a “profound experience” and that she considers the film “a model of storytelling, of letting the action do the work in a way that really parallels what I’d refer to as great literature.” She continued: “I think what’s often missed with his films is how incredibly crafted they are. People say, ‘No narrative, no exposition.’ No, no! His editing skills are so amazing. It’s exposition at its best, when you don’t even notice it. You need to look closer.”

From the start, Wiseman has relied on a tight crew: just a director of photography, an assistant and Wiseman himself on sound, hoisting a boom mic. He has worked with the same cinematographer, John Davey, since 1978 and won’t commit to a project unless the subject has granted him comprehensive access. (Since the early 1990s, he said, he has wanted to make a film about The New York Times but has been rebuffed over access issues.) Robert Birgeneau, the chancellor of the University of California, Berkeley, when Wiseman made “At Berkeley” (2013), asked around after receiving the filmmaker’s initial request “and got a lot of warnings,” he told me, adding, “Some of Fred’s films are not flattering to the people in charge.” But after a lunch meeting with Wiseman, Birgeneau instinctively liked and trusted him. The university couldn’t allow him to film anything involving personnel issues, but all else became fair game. “It was surprising to me that after the first 10 minutes of any meeting or event, no matter how complicated the issue, we sort of forgot Fred was there,” Birgeneau said.

Aside from introducing himself, Wiseman says he tries to demystify the process by answering any questions but doesn’t do preinterviews. “There’s a whole issue as to whether the camera changes behavior — the pretentious way of talking about it is, ‘Does the Heisenberg principle apply to documentary filmmaking?’ — but in my experience, 99.9 percent of the people don’t act for the camera,” he said. “My explanation for that is most people aren’t good enough actors to become somebody else. Not everybody’s Meryl Streep. And when people are uncomfortable or putting it on, so to speak, you instantly know it.”

For those of us who report for a living, it’s impossible not to marvel at Wiseman’s preternatural gets — his uncanny ability, particularly in the early films, to record moments that should by all rights permit no outside witness. Only once, Wiseman told me, has he worried about crossing a line. It came during the filming of “Hospital” (1969) at Metropolitan Hospital Center in East Harlem, when a subway worker who had accidentally touched the third rail was brought into the emergency ward. All of his nerve endings had been burned, so he wasn’t experiencing any pain, and he was surrounded by loved ones. But he was clearly dying. Wiseman decided not to film the sequence. “I thought maybe he should be allowed to die with his family,” he said. In retrospect, he wishes he’d gotten the shot.

The idea for “City Hall” came about several years ago, after Wiseman saw a list of mayors receiving accolades at the time. He reached out to the offices of a half-dozen or so (including that of the young mayor of South Bend, Ind., long before his presidential run) but was ignored or rebuffed by every city except one, Boston, his hometown, where his request ended up on the desk of Joyce Linehan, a former A.&R. rep at Sub Pop Records who’d become Mayor Marty Walsh’s chief of policy and planning and who was, luckily, a Wiseman superfan. “I immediately called the other five employees, of the 17,000 of us, who would appreciate the fact that Fred Wiseman wanted to make a movie about us, and we all jumped up and down and geeked out a bit,” Linehan said. Then she convinced Walsh, and a highly skeptical media-relations team, that they should grant Wiseman the access he wanted. “Which is almost complete access,” Linehan said. “Not unreasonably, the press department wanted me out of their office.”

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Mayor Marty Walsh of Boston in “City Hall,” 2020.Credit...Zipporah Films

The film opens in a 311 call center, where we hear one-sided, amusingly mundane snippets of nonemergency telephone conversations. (“Do you by any chance know if your parents were married at the time of your birth?” “Is it a stray dog?”) There’s a sweet, awkward civil wedding ceremony; a wordless, oddly hypnotic sequence involving a garbage truck, culminating in the deeply satisfying crushing of several mattresses; a moving encounter between a city building inspector and a troubled veteran with a rodent infestation; a tense public hearing in which Black neighborhood residents confront the would-be operators of a cannabis dispensary.

Throughout, Mayor Walsh emerges as the closest thing to a main character Wiseman has ever given us. At first, in a meeting about violence prevention, he comes across as earnest but unprepossessing. But just as seeing people in films hugging or gathering maskless can feel uncanny these days, the mere fact that Walsh and the bureaucrats staffing multifarious city agencies take their jobs seriously and are capable of conveying both empathy for their constituents and a mastery of the basic facts of governance plays like a gauzy dream sequence, a distant transmission from a better world.

That said, it’s far too reductive to think of “City Hall” as a four-and-a-half-hour subtweet of the Trump presidency. Yes, for viewers in 2020, Walsh’s baseline decency “becomes underlined” by an implicit comparison with the current occupant of the White House, Wiseman acknowledges. But darker, more complicated themes also stir beneath the surface — most starkly in a bravura 25-minute sequence shot at Faneuil Hall on Veterans Day, in which the testimonies of multiple generations of veterans explicitly lashes American history to a brutal microhistory of warfare.

With the exception of “Near Death,” “City Hall” marks the first time Wiseman has filmed in his home state since “Titicut Follies,” his debut. At the time, Wiseman was unhappily teaching law at Boston University, having earned his own degree at Yale in part to avoid the draft for the Korean War. He was following in the footsteps of his father, Jacob, who immigrated to Boston from Ukraine with his family as a 5-year-old and worked his way through law school — though aside from meeting his wife (who taught and practiced law for years), Fred didn’t get much out of his time in New Haven, and never took to the bar. In the early 1960s, he read a novel by Warren Miller, “The Cool World,” about a young Black gang member in Harlem. Though independent cinema remained very much an outlying proposition at the time, he decided to option the book and film it. “I would not characterize my decision as a rational one,” Wiseman said. He initially considered directing himself, but then decided to produce instead and hired Shirley Clarke for the job. A pioneering female director who largely operated in the world of independent, experimental film, Clarke had just released “The Connection,” a controversial feature about heroin-addicted jazz musicians, which Wiseman had invested a bit of money in and thought was terrific. For “The Cool World,” they filmed on location in Harlem with many nonprofessional actors, auditioning nearly 2,000 kids at local high schools, though in the end Wiseman found working with Clarke “very, very difficult” and after the completion of the project vowed never again to produce a film for anybody but himself. “What I took away from it,” Wiseman noted tartly, “was if Shirley could make a movie, I could, too.”

A few years later, Wiseman asked for permission to shoot at Bridgewater State Hospital for the criminally insane, where he’d been taking his Legal Medicine class on field trips. In his written proposal to the hospital’s director, he declared his intent to avoid making a “cliché documentary about crime and mental illness.” The film, he wrote, would possess “imaginative and poetic” qualities that would set it apart.

Making good on his promise from its first frame, “Titicut Follies” opens on a stage. Eight inmates stand in neat choir formation, hands behind their backs, singing “Strike Up the Band,” a satirical Gershwin standard about rallying the troops. A cheap tinsel sign hanging behind the men, who’ve been absurdly costumed in bow ties and plumed shakos, makes it clear we’re watching an amateur talent show. Eventually their hands emerge, clutching pom-poms.

The film became an immediate scandal, the black-and-white images of nude inmates paraded around by guards invariably calling to mind concentration-camp footage. The lieutenant governor of Massachusetts, Elliot Richardson, had initially helped Wiseman gain permission to shoot in Bridgewater but later accused him of “double crossing” the state and persuaded the Massachusetts Supreme Court to ban the film from public screenings outside an educational context, successfully arguing that Wiseman had invaded the privacy of the inmates. (The ruling wasn’t overturned until 1991.)

Wiseman found the decision ridiculous but, he insisted to me, not especially discouraging. While shooting “Titicut Follies,” he had an idea for a series of films in which, rather than following a single protagonist, the place would be the star. A few months after the trial, he began filming “High School.”

He was 38 by this point. Perhaps discovering his vocation at a relatively late age fixed his eye on the clock. For whatever reason, his practice has remained steady and undeviating: nearly a film a year, with minimal research in advance. (He considers the shoot itself the research, preferring to encounter the material cold.) Until “La Danse” (2009), about the Paris Opera Ballet, when he switched to digital, Wiseman edited his films (all but one shot to that point in 16 millimeters) by hand, using an ancient Steenbeck flatbed editing machine. There was something artisanal about the hand-editing that he liked: holding the film, threading it through the machine. It gave him time to think. Eventually, though, finding labs able to process 16-millimeter film quickly became too difficult. He takes between six and eight months to edit the individual vignettes of a given film, at which point he knows the material so well he can recite the dialogue, and then another four to six weeks to determine the overall structure.

Wiseman has retained full ownership of his films and keeps tight control over their distribution. Until 2007, when he finally relented and began making the films available on DVD, they could only be viewed, outside their runs on PBS, at public screenings of 16-millimeter prints. They’re still not available on any streaming platforms in the United States aside from Kanopy, which is free to use with a library card in certain cities. “Fred is persnickety,” his friend Errol Morris, the documentary filmmaker, said. “He’s always been, in his own way, extremely conservative and unwilling to change.” (When Morris called Zipporah to ask for a screening link to “City Hall,” they sent him a copy of the 275-minute film with a four-day expiration date. “I’m not sure what the fear is,” Morris said. “Am I going to sell it to a foreign government?”)

Despite the uproar caused by “Titicut Follies,” Wiseman has never considered himself a muckraker or a journalist. In the MoMA catalog essay, he described his approach in far more literary terms, insisting the films must work, at least for him, on both a literal and metaphorical level, and citing as the greatest influence on his editing “the attention to close reading I was taught in college and the novels and poems I have since tried to read with care.” He sees himself, he told me, like an artist who makes work from found objects, except in his case, the art is assembled from found events. “Which are recorded in a certain way, and edited and ordered, and every aspect is completely subjective,” Wiseman went on. “I make my little jokes about how I hate the term cinéma vérité or observational cinema or direct cinema. Because I make movies. And I would make the argument that they’re fictional movies — based on real, unstaged events.”

Nobody talks seriously about writing the Great American Novel anymore, but Wiseman belongs to a generation that used to, and his body of work, when considered in the manner he lays out above, represents the nearest contemporary equivalent I can think of. Especially when viewed in Wiseman’s terms — as a single, ongoing project — the scope and ambition become panoramic, a national monument. Norman Mailer used to refer to his desire to write the Great American Novel in tragic-heroic terms, casting himself as an Ahab in doomed pursuit of what he called “the big one.” Wouldn’t it be funny, though, if the Great American Novel actually does exist, only it’s not a novel and has been quietly appearing in serialized form on public television for the past 50 years?

Wiseman had a couple of potential follow-ups to “City Hall” in mind before the pandemic struck, but he doesn’t want to reveal any details. To keep busy, he has embarked on what he called a “half-assed” self-improvement course, reading the Great Books he’d always meant to get around to. (At the moment, he’s quite enjoying “Tristram Shandy.”) Shoots are physically demanding, so he has spent his exile in Paris trying to keep in shape, taking walks when it’s safe and working out on an exercise bicycle. He speaks to his wife and to his longtime producer, Karen Konicek, who runs Zipporah Films, daily. He has also been working on a screenplay, partly adapted from the diaries of Sophia Tolstoy — a surprisingly contemporary portrait of a marriage, he said, “where she talks about her difficult life with the great man.” He plans to make the film with a small, quarantined crew at a house in the French countryside in the spring.

“I imagine,” I said, “it must be painful for you to have to lose six months, or a year, or however long this thing goes on, right now, when you don’t know....” I faltered here, leaving the remainder of my thought unspoken. After stammering a bit, I tried again. “I mean, none of us know, but, you know —”

Wiseman cut in. “Yes, if I were 35 or 45, I wouldn’t be thinking that there’s a possibility I made my last movie. Because of my age and susceptibility to Covid, I do think about that in my darker moments. But there’s nothing I can do about it.”

He sounded matter-of-fact. I realize I haven’t described Wiseman’s voice yet, its warmth, its rasp, how he always seems to be suppressing a sardonic chuckle. The sense of wryness comes through whether he’s talking about the attempted subversion of the U.S. election results or his own death. It’s strange to think of “City Hall” as possibly his final statement on American democracy, a film that’s being read as a paean to old-fashioned civic virtues and the quiet dignity of the well-meaning bureaucrat. Not that it’s not all of those things. But as Morris has pointed out, Wiseman also possesses an unparalleled eye for the absurdity of the human condition. Morris once wrote that Wiseman “likes institutions like Fellini likes the circus. They are a backdrop or a metaphor for something else.” To treat him like “some junior-league sociologist,” he told me, insults his artistry and misreads his worldview.

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“Zoo,” 1993.Credit...Zipporah Films

“In many ways, the subject of Fred’s films is the surrealism of life,” Morris said, “this disjuncture between how we see ourselves and a hidden, underlying reality that at least partially emerges.” Morris cited a number of his favorite Wiseman scenes, all flickers of absurdity that puncture the self-seriousness of a moment: a monk interrupts a religious discussion to swat a fly in “Essene” (1972); the meeting in “City Hall” when one participant silently roots around in a bowl of sorry-looking candy; a scene in “Zoo” (1993) in which a wolf is castrated by an entirely female surgical team while a male attendant stands with his hands folded across his crotch, gazing on nervously. “Fred and I would have these arguments,” Morris went on. “I call him the king of misanthropic cinema. He would turn around and say: ‘I’m not the king of misanthropic cinema. You’re the king of misanthropic cinema.’ As if this throne of misanthropy had to be unremittingly debated.”

I ran Morris’s interpretation by Wiseman, to which he replied, “I’ve told Errol several times: sheer projection.” He acknowledged finding the reading funny, and partly accurate. But only partly. In making his movies, Wiseman explained, he’d witnessed both immense kindness and unbelievable cruelty. “If somebody asked me for a generalization about human behavior, I’d say, ‘Watch my films,’” he went on. “If you can say in 25 words or less what they say about human behavior, well, good luck to you. I can’t do it.”

Which, I suppose, also applies to any attempt at summarizing what his films have to say about the life of the American institution. I thought of the bracingly dark lecture on Melville delivered by a high school English teacher in “Belfast, Maine” (1999), which had a funny moment along the lines of those Morris loves, when the teacher, recounting to the stunned-looking teenagers a horrific drowning scene from “Moby-Dick,” seems to be confronting his own existential abyss. Then he moves on to another Melville book, “The Confidence-Man,” a bizarre, difficult novel and a surprising choice for a high school English class. To Melville, the teacher explains, everything in America is a confidence game. “They’re always telling you to believe,” the teacher says, “but anytime you believe in anything, it’s only setting you up to be the fool, to be the gull, to be the victim of the game.” He tells the class the title character of the novel was a huckster on a steamboat selling people what they wanted to hear.

“What does this tell us about the American dream?” he asks.

“It’s false!” one of the kids responds.

“It’s false,” the teacher repeats. “It’s a confidence scam.”

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“Belfast, Maine,” 1999.Credit...Zipporah Films

The scene comes more than three hours into a four-hour film, which, to that point, seems to have been a complicated but sympathetic portrait of a quaint coastal town near where Wiseman bought an old barn in the early ’70s, and where he frequently spends summers. The lecture changes the atmosphere, forcing the viewer to rethink everything that’s come before and all that remains. When I brought up the scene with Wiseman, he told me “The Confidence-Man” was one of his favorite novels.

But then there’s the final scene of “City Hall,” which, like the first scene of his first film (and which Wiseman had acknowledged could be the last scene of his last film), unfolds on a stage — in this case at Boston’s Symphony Hall, where Mayor Walsh delivers his State of the City address. Before the speech begins, we see rows of flags, a marching band with bagpipes and drums, the sort of patriotic trappings with which our outgoing president has festooned his never-ending MAGA spectacle, only here rallying the faithful for a liberal Democrat. As the audience stands for the national anthem, Wiseman cuts back to the stage, and we learn that the woman singing is an African-American police officer. She’s in full uniform, including a peaked hat and sidearm. A gangly white officer stands beside her, holding his own microphone. Smiling like he’s Marvin Gaye sidling up to Tammi Terrell, he joins at “whose broad stripes and bright stars.” And he has a lovely voice as well, a warbly tenor. It feels like a minor cinematic miracle, Fred Astaire dancing on the ceiling, Judy Garland awakening in a Technicolor Oz — just the utter unexpectedness of what we’re witnessing, the bluntness of the symbolism, its naïveté, the fact that they’re cops (in this of all years), and yet perhaps, at least for some viewers, a stirring of emotion about flag and anthem the past few years had made all but impossible. Because it’s a Wiseman film, we get to hear the entire song, along with the applause from an audience already on its feet.

THE NEW YORK TIMES  

February 18, 2026

A Rio Carnival Party That Goes On and On

 

 Many people dance in a festive, crowded space. In the foreground, two people embrace, one with animal-print ears and another in a colorful skirt.

 The Boi Tolo, one of the city’s most iconic street parties, has come to represent the glittery, gritty grass-roots celebration far from the glamour of the official parades.

 

 

The square started filling well before dawn. Some revelers arrived clad in neon fishnets and doused in glitter. Others, who had been at parties elsewhere, napped on a grassy patch. The musicians came last, lugging drums and trumpets.

It was Sunday morning during carnival in Rio de Janeiro, and the square in the city’s historic center was the setting for the start of a kind of roving marathon block party known as the Boi Tolo.

The Boi Tolo has no set time, script or route, a swell of thousands of euphoric revelers marching through the city at a frantic pace.

Those who miss the start spend the day trying to catch up, firing off messages in group chats: “Where is Boi Tolo?”

Keeping pace is grueling.

“Along the way, you start wondering, ‘Should I give up? I’m going to give up,’” said Lucas Fagundes, 35. “It’s like the ultimate test of your stamina.”

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The Boi Tolo has no set time, script or route.

Few parties represent the fervor and chaos of Rio’s street carnival scene better than the Boi Tolo. Far from the glamour of official carnival parades, it has come to embody the gritty informal celebrations that take over the streets.

By 6:50 a.m. on Sunday, the crowd at the square had grown to a few hundred people clad in bejeweled cowboy hats and shimmering bikinis. The musicians erupted in an improvised symphony of brass, drums and percussion instruments.

A giant human chain formed around the band and everyone set off through the narrow streets, paralyzing traffic. As they passed a tram stop, a shiny Medusa blew soap bubbles toward commuters. Stilt walkers passed a bus stuck in the sea of people.

One of the few rules of Boi Tolo is to keep moving. Whenever anyone stopped for an impassioned kiss, the crowd erupted: “Kiss and walk! Kiss and walk!” The direction is not always clear. “We decide the route in the moment,” said Luís Otávio Almeida, 62, one of the party’s founders.

The Boi Tolo started by chance two decades ago, when a group of people arrived at a public square during carnival Sunday ready to party, but found no party, apparently misled by a newspaper announcement.

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One of the few rules of Boi Tolo is to keep moving.

Frustrated, they decided to improvise. A beer vendor nearby had a tambourine. Someone called a friend with a drum. A lone trumpeter showed up, joining the group.

Then, a reveler picked up a piece of cardboard and in lipstick scribbled “Boi Tolo,” or “foolish bull” (for their falling for the faulty announcement). The tradition stuck and it now draws tens of thousands of people each year.

“Boi Tolo only exists because people want it to exist,” Mr. Almeida said. “Carnival is made on the streets. It’s made by the people.”

This year’s party eventually spilled into a sprawling park, where costumed spectators hung off tree branches and squeezed under an overpass, as hundreds of people cheered above.

To many “Cariocas,” as people from Rio are known, carnival is often akin to an extreme sport that requires grit and endurance.

In recent years, growing numbers of visitors and searing temperatures have made it harder for even the most resilient to party hard. To try to beat the heat, Boi Tolo set out earlier than usual this year.

Still, as temperatures topped 90 degrees, people fanned themselves and doused each other with water. By 11 a.m., the sun was scorching; a stilt walker in a sequin bikini crumpled to the ground. “I’m fine, my blood pressure just dropped,” she said, as she got up and started twerking again.



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Boi Tolo participants proceeding through a tunnel near the beach.

The procession headed toward a pair of tunnels leading to Rio’s beachfront. Most participants were drenched in sweat, their makeup melting. But this is what they had been waiting for; the highlight of Boi Tolo.

The beat quickened, echoing through the tunnel. The crowd burst into euphoric jubilation. “It’s magical,” said Perola Mendonça, 26. “It’s this incredible feeling of ecstasy.”

On the other end, the party kept moving along the beachfront. By 4:30 p.m., the participants reached the end of the boardwalk, but they weren’t ready to stop. So they turned around and headed back toward the tunnel.

After a 12-hour march through the city, a few hundred partygoers were still not ready to quit. With the light fading, they made their way back toward the city center where it all started.

As they passed a stretch of beach they rushed onto the sand. A man in a cowboy hat hooked his snare drum on the crossbar of a goal post. The crowd closed in, as the musicians started playing a party anthem with lyrics the crowd could relate to.

“I’m not going home! I’m not going home!” the revelers belted out, jumping up and down in the sand.

Exhausted, Yasmin Santiago, 22, leaned on the goal post. She had joined a few hours earlier, not knowing what it was but eager to party.

“This is Boi Tolo? No way!” Ms. Santiago said when she found out, her face lighting up. Turning to her friend, she called out: “Girl, did you hear that? We found Boi Tolo!We were looking for it for ages.”

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Some Boi Tolo revelers had waited all night for the festivities to begin.
 
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Robert Duvall Seared Himself Into Our Memories Even When He Wasn’t the Star

 

In roles as unalike as a neighborhood shut-in, a Corleone consigliere and a hardhearted military man, the actor brought an intensity that never wavered.

 

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 The first time you watch the opening of Francis Ford Coppola’s “The Godfather,” you may not notice the pale man with the hawklike stillness seated quietly in the room. There are so many other things to look at in this seismic opener, including James Caan’s Sonny as he waits restlessly in the background and Marlon Brando’s Don Corleone, who’s seated behind a desk in pooling shadow and holding a cat as he listens to a man ask him to murder someone. The Don declines to do so though promises to handle matters, and then both men stand.

As soon as the petitioner leaves, the pale man suddenly and silently takes his place before the Godfather, materializing from the inky black like an apparition. For the rest of this scene, these two men remain close to each other, the darkness enveloping them like a shroud. Don Corleone is facing the camera while the pale man’s face remains largely obscured. You can’t quite make him out, and he doesn’t say a word as the Godfather speaks, adding to his strange mystery. Yet by the time the scene ends, so much has already been expressed, including the men’s intimacy and the unwavering intensity of the pale man’s supplication. This is a man, you understand, who doesn’t just serve power but also helps make it happen.

In a sense, the same was true of Robert Duvall, who died on Sunday at 95. Over his decades-long career, he sometimes took the lead, as in the 1980 drama “The Great Santini,” but was also a brilliant team player. By the time he appeared as the mysterious pale man, a.k.a. Tom Hagen in “The Godfather” — the Don’s future consigliere — Duvall was part of a group of Coppola’s close collaborators who over the years and in different movies would help the filmmaker realize his ambitions. The actor and director made a number of movies together, starting with “The Rain People” (1969), a moving, loosely plotted drama about a pregnant woman (Shirley Knight) who flees her middle-class life by hitting the road. Along the way, she meets two oppositional men, one poignantly wounded (Caan), the other menacingly so (Duvall).

Duvall plays a patrolman, Gordon, who stops the woman, Natalie, for speeding on an atmospherically lonely highway. Wearing sunglasses, the cop is crisply officious at first, but after some banter about her marital status she seems to understand that there’s something else in his attentions. Duvall excelled at tightly wound characters, and though he doesn’t tip what Gordon thinks, you can intuit the danger in the man. Even so, before long, he and Natalie are in a diner, then in bed. Duvall didn’t play romantic roles often, yet while he’s convincingly attractive here, Gordon remains almost imperceptibly on edge. You can see volatility in his darting eyes, hear the impatience in his words. The film ends badly for all of the characters, but by that time all of the actors — Duvall included — are seared into your memory.

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In a movie scene, Robert Duvall is wearing a dark suit and sitting at a desk. He’s holding the receiver of a phone, and a file is open in front of him.
Duvall in a scene from “The Godfather.” His character doesn’t just serve power; he helps create it.Credit...Paramount Pictures, via Getty Images

I imagine that at that point, Duvall had already quietly bored into the consciousness of a lot of moviegoers who probably didn’t even know the name of the actor who played Boo Radley in Robert Mulligan’s 1963 film version of “To Kill a Mockingbird.” A silent shut-in, Boo is a figure of intense speculation among the local children, a neighborhood boogeyman who’s said to be a near-giant — six and a half feet tall — and “eats raw squirrels and all the cats he can catch.” By the time Boo appears onscreen near the end of the movie, he has saved two children from death and taken refuge in their house behind a door, standing stock-still with a face that the film’s young heroine, Scout, reads with fast-dawning adult recognition — a face that Duvall fills with a haunting mix of wariness, crushing isolation and childish incomprehension.

Boo Radley’s role in the story is small yet pivotal, and it’s made all the more unforgettable by Duvall’s tamped-down force. It was his first film role, and it initiated a career that built momentum gradually but insistently in films from directors as different as Robert Altman (“Countdown,” 1968) and George Lucas (“THX 1138,” 1971). Although Duvall sometimes had top billing or thereabouts, and certainly could feel like a supernova, he invariably seemed more like a supporting actor than a star. Some of this was a matter of intransigent Hollywood ideas about male beauty that continued even as Old Hollywood gave way to New. Duvall was certainly nice-looking, but his receding hairline and the way his skin seemed to stretch tightly, almost wincingly, across his facial bones doubtless mattered to those cutting the checks.

Duvall’s ability to disappear into roles was another factor in the trajectory of his career, and I imagine so were his native intensity and apparent lack of interest in cozying up to the audience. He never seemed to ask for its love even when the movies did, as in “The Great Santini,” in which he plays a tough, hard-drinking family man and Marine, Lt. Col. Bull Meechum. In its most famous scene, a driveway basketball match turns into a harrowing battle of wills when Meechum grows enraged that his eldest son is besting him. The father responds first by threatening to beat his wife, and then begins to repeatedly bounce the basketball off the son’s head, violence that Duvall plays with such hard, single-minded focus — and some unnervingly weird barking laughs — that even the tears Meechum sheds later leave you cold.

Duvall had the kind of long, storied career that was possible in an earlier movie era, one that helped define New Hollywood and also outlasted it. He did his share of paycheck jobs, popping up in blockbuster nonsense and forgettable independent films. After winning an overdue Oscar for “Tender Mercies” (1983), he went on to write and direct several appropriately idiosyncratic films: “The Apostle” (1997), in which he played a preacher turned murderer, and the delightfully eccentric “Assassination Tango” (2003), in which he played John, a tango-loving hit man whose story begins in Coney Island and improbably leads to Buenos Aires. There, while on the job, John learns the tango, which may not be an intentional metaphor but nevertheless comes across as one about doing the job while also following your bliss.

By that point, the role of Tom Hagen was long behind Duvall. He had appeared in the first two “Godfather” films but declined to appear in the third because the production wouldn’t pay him as much as Al Pacino. It’s understandable, and his refusal — along with the pride that edges it — recalls an early scene in “Assassination Tango” when John gets dressed to go out. He is a strange, complicated cat who’s at once a loving married family man and a dangerous hired gun, and he seems as capable of inhabiting as many roles as the actor playing him. The night in question, he is about to pull off a sanguineous job with his customary finesse. First, though, he puts on a sharp black hat and dark clothes and primps in front of a mirror, dabbing lotion on his cheeks. And then John carefully smooths the wrinkles on his throat, an unmistakably vulnerable moment that Duvall holds on for a few seconds with memorable, sublimely knowing grace.

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February 17, 2026

‘They All Tried to Break Me’: Gisèle Pelicot Shares Her Story

 

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 It is one of the most heinous sexual-abuse stories in history. Gisèle Pelicot was drugged and raped repeatedly by the person she trusted most in the world — her husband, Dominique Pelicot — who also invited dozens of men into their bedroom to rape Pelicot while she was heavily sedated.

The abuse started in 2011, but Pelicot did not learn of it until 2020, after Dominique was caught secretly filming up women’s skirts at a supermarket near their home in southeastern France. After the police arrested him, they discovered videos and photographs of his wife being assaulted by at least 70 men — assaults that Dominique had recorded and saved.

Four years later, a trial of Pelicot’s abusers began. Even then, we might never have known Gisèle Pelicot’s name. But in her new memoir, “A Hymn to Life: Shame Has to Change Sides,” which will be published on Feb. 17, Pelicot explains why she decided to forgo anonymity and make the 2024 trial public. That choice made her a feminist icon, inspiring women all over France to rally around her and to demand change to France’s consent laws.

Still, Pelicot has remained in many ways an enigma. Outside of the trial, she never sat down to tell her story. But over a nearly three-hour interview last month in Paris — her first to be published with an American media outlet — Pelicot gave a candid and emotional account of the early years of her marriage; the toll that the abuse, and then the trial, took on her; the fallout for her family; and how, despite everything she has been through and the many questions that linger, she has found love and some peace in her life again.

Pelicot spoke French during our conversation, so her answers here have been translated into English.

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In her first interview with an American media outlet, Gisèle Pelicot opened up about surviving years of secret abuse and deciding to go public with her story.

 This is the first time that people will hear from you in your own words. How are you feeling sitting down and discussing this in a public way? When I wrote this book, I wanted it to be useful. It also allowed me to look inward, to take stock of my life and try to rebuild from the ruins. When you hear the facts of the trial, you see this woman and wonder, How is she still standing? I needed to convey that I’m still a woman who stands tall.

Before we talk further, how would you like me to refer to your ex-husband? Monsieur Pelicot.

I’d like to start by talking about the period before you knew what was being done to you. You had retired to the southeast of France, to a town called Mazan. What kind of person were you then? I retired at just over 60 years old. I had always worked, raised my children and had a very active life. And I thought I would have a happy retirement with Monsieur Pelicot. The Mazan house was a place where we could have friends and the children over during the holidays. We always called it the house of happiness. We weren’t far from Mont Ventoux in Les Baux-de-Provence. We had the cicadas, the olive trees, the sun. We also had a swimming pool. As soon as the grandchildren arrived at the house, they would put down their things and jump in. I enjoyed watching them grow up. I was living a fulfilling, happy life. Of course, like all couples, we had difficult times. Life is not always smooth sailing. But I had this joie de vivre with Monsieur Pelicot. All our friends and family liked him. He was always ready to help, athletic. I only knew a kind and caring man. Which is terrifying.

A lot of the book seems to be an attempt to understand whom you actually married. Can you describe how you and Monsieur Pelicot met and who he was when you first discovered each other? I met Monsieur Pelicot in July of 1971, so we were two 19-year-old kids. When I met him, he was this shy boy, always blushing, and his family life was a bit more complicated than mine. His father was a tyrant, very authoritarian, and he had to give his parents every penny that he made. When he was younger, he was raped in the hospital, and then when he was 14, he was forced to watch a gang rape at a construction site. He never went to therapy, and his family didn’t help him either.

We decided to marry really young. My father disapproved. He had remarried, and my stepmother wasn’t very nice, and my only desire was to run away and live a happy life. And that’s what actually happened. We moved to the Paris suburbs. We didn’t have much at first, but we were in love. We both wanted to start a family. They say love stories don’t end well, and mine ended badly 50 years down the road. But still, I hold onto the good moments from that life.

As far as we know, Monsieur Pelicot seems to have started abusing you in 2011. But in 2013, when you retired to Mazan, things accelerated. This is when you started experiencing unexplained memory losses. Can you tell me about those blackouts? The first time, the episode in 2011, I have no memory of it. It came back to me later, in front of the investigating judge, when I learned that my first rape took place on July 23, 2011. I remember waking up in the night, and I realized that something was wrong with Monsieur Pelicot, because I said to him: “What are you doing? Leave me alone.” And since I was sedated — not enough for him, though; I think he was already starting to experiment with the doses he was giving me — I went back to sleep and woke up very late the next day, around 6 p.m. I asked, “How come you didn’t wake me up?” And he said, “You were tired, I let you sleep.” I was a little intrigued that I could sleep so long.

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That episode stuck in the back of my mind. I didn’t think about it again, but when the same thing happened in September 2013 — except this time I didn’t wake up during the night; I realized the next day, when I put on the pants I had worn the night before and there were stains on them, like bleach spots — I thought it was strange. What had I done? I couldn’t remember the night before, and I asked Monsieur Pelicot about it. He was in the garden at the time, and I said to him, “Doumé” — my nickname for him — “you’re not drugging me, are you?” It was as if I were asking him what he wanted to eat or if we were going for a walk that afternoon. In other words, my subconscious asked the question, but as if I were joking.

And then, to my great surprise, he cried. He said to me: “Do you realize what you’re saying to me? What are you making me out to be?” His response completely threw me off balance, and it was me who ended up apologizing for thinking such a thing. I said: “I’m sorry, I apologize. I don’t know why I asked you that.” And after that, I never mentioned it to him again. My subconscious had detected something, but I buried it.

It was striking to me, reading your book, how dependent and isolated you were. You were no longer working. Your children didn’t live nearby. You didn’t drive because you were having increasingly frequent blackouts, which you were worried about. Monsieur Pelicot took you to the doctor to make sure he could oversee what treatment you were getting. How was he behaving toward you during this time? I always thought that this man would protect me. When I started having these lapses, I told him about it, of course. I told him, “I need to see a doctor, because I think I have something serious.” And he said, “I’m sure there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re going to worry your children for nothing.” I told him that I wanted to know for sure.

The first time he took me to the neurologist, he had made the appointment and came with me, because I was afraid of the diagnosis. I’ll always remember the neurologist’s attitude. I told him I was very worried because I couldn’t remember the previous day — watching a movie, brushing my teeth, everyday things I did just before going to bed. He had me do some clinical tests, like standing on one leg to see if my balance was still good. And once I sat back down, he said: “I think you had a ministroke. It can happen once in a lifetime. So don’t worry, it’s absolutely nothing.” So I leave with Monsieur Pelicot. And in the car, he says to me, “See, I told you, there’s nothing wrong with you.”

Fine, but the blackouts continue. So I made another appointment with another neurologist. She said to my children, “You’re going to have to prepare yourselves, because I think your mother has all the early signs of Alzheimer’s disease.” What was I supposed to do with this? I felt doomed. I kept thinking of my mother, who died very young. I was preparing for the end. I thought I had very little time left to live.

Monsieur Pelicot even accompanied me to the gynecologist, because I had gynecological problems. Many people have asked, “How could she not have known?” But that’s the reality. I trusted him so much that I couldn’t imagine that this man was manipulating me. He always said I was the love of his life. How can you treat the love of your life that way? It’s unthinkable.

Let’s talk about when you learn what has really been happening. In 2020, Monsieur Pelicot tells you that he has been caught filming up women’s skirts at a local supermarket. Were you shocked? When Monsieur Pelicot revealed to me what he had done in the Carpentras supermarket, I found it hard to believe because he had never done anything underhanded to me. In 50 years, I had never seen anything. He was not a man who made jokes about women or behaved inappropriately toward them.

I said to him, “What got into you?” He said, “You weren’t there, and I had an impulse.” Because he had never done anything like that before, I told him: “I’ll help you, you need to get help, you need to see someone, because you can’t go on like this. You’re going to apologize to those women, because they need reparation.” I told him: “For now, I’m forgiving you, but I’m warning you, there won’t be a next time. Next time, I’ll leave.” And he replied: “Don’t worry, I’ve learned my lesson. I won’t do it again.”

I believed him, and that’s what’s terrifying for me to think about even today. How could he look me in the eye and talk to me like that? Like that last breakfast, the day I found out the truth. We had our breakfast as if nothing had happened.

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That last breakfast was two months from the time that he told you he had been caught filming, because it took that long for the police to call you both into the station. This is when you learn what actually had been happening to you. I know this is an incredibly painful moment, but could you take me into it? When they sit you down, what do they tell you, and what do you see? I thought we were going to talk about the two photos he took in the store in Carpentras. Monsieur Pelicot went in first. I was called in maybe half an hour later, and when I go up to the first floor to meet Lieutenant Perret, I arrive at his office and expect to find Monsieur Pelicot there. But Monsieur Pelicot isn’t there. I think to myself, Maybe that’s normal. He wants to know if Monsieur Pelicot really told me the whole truth. So I sit down, and since it was during Covid, we’re wearing masks. We’re sitting a little farther apart, he tells me to take off my mask, and he starts to ask me questions: my first and last name, my parents’ ages. I admit that I started to wonder, Why all these questions?

Then the questions became more and more specific: Can you describe your husband? So I said, Yes, of course: a good man, attentive, caring. We’ve been together for 50 years, I’ve never had a problem with Monsieur Pelicot, except for this incident. And then he starts to change the tone of the interrogation and asks me if I practice swinging with Monsieur Pelicot. At that point, I start to wonder, What is he getting at, why is he asking me this question? And I say to him: “Listen, of course not. At my age? I’m a modest woman. And besides, the idea of another man touching me is unthinkable.” And then I see his face start to change.

He has a pile of files next to his desk. He says to me, “Madame Pelicot, what I’m about to tell you is not going to please you.” I’m really starting to worry, my heart is racing. I say to him, “What’s going on?” He says, “See the pile over there,” and he starts to open a folder to show me a photo. He says, “Do you recognize yourself in this photo?” And of course I didn’t recognize myself, because I was with a man I didn’t know, who was raping me. I said, “I don’t know this man.” And I thought to myself, That’s not me. He shows me a second photo, which is pretty much the same, and he says, “That’s you there.” I say no, and he says: “This is your room, Madame Pelicot, these are your bedside lamps. We searched your home, these are your belongings.”

At that point, my brain went into dissociation. He wanted to show me videos. I said, “No, I can’t anymore, I can’t.” And he told me: “Your husband is in police custody, he won’t be leaving with you. You need to know that you have been raped many times. We have arrested 53 individuals,” and I will later learn that there are 20 or 30 who have not been arrested. He tells me that I have been raped about 200 times. I say, “But that’s not possible.” And then I ask for a glass of water because I can’t talk anymore.

They had a psychologist there, they had planned everything. All I want to do is go home, because everything they’ve told me isn’t possible, it’s not true. I’m in another world, basically. So the psychologist arrives, she talks to me, but I can’t hear her. Lieutenant Perret takes me home with one of his colleagues, and when I got home, he said to me, “Call a friend, don’t stay here alone, because you’re in danger.” They knew that not everyone had been arrested. So I called a friend. But I still didn’t believe it. It was like a bad joke. Not denial, but total disbelief. My friend arrives, and when she sits down in the living room and asks what’s going on, I tell her: “Dominique has been arrested. He’s in custody because he raped me and had me raped.” I think that’s the first time that I said the word. It took me almost five hours to absorb it, but I said the word “rape” to my friend at that moment.

It is unimaginable: This man that you had been married to for 50 years, suddenly you get this information. What was it like to see that unconscious version of yourself? Devastating. I’m a rag doll. It’s as if I’ve come out of surgery, because I’m completely anesthetized. These men, when you see what they’re doing to me — how is it possible that my body couldn’t feel anything? So it’s true that it really was anesthesia. Fortunately for me, I have no memories, because I think I would have killed myself afterward. I couldn’t have survived that. I told myself that it wasn’t me. It was me, but it wasn’t. Monsieur Pelicot had disguised me. I looked like a sack of potatoes. I had no soul, nothing. That woman wasn’t me. That’s probably what saved me, telling myself that.

You write that “a wave of shame swelled up inside me” after this revelation. Can you talk me through why you felt shame at that moment? I think all victims feel this shame. You feel dirty, you feel degraded. There’s nothing human about it. I spent hours in the shower trying to wash away this filth, this dirt that makes you feel dehumanized.

For those who didn’t follow the trial, I just want to give a few examples of the scale of the abuse that you learned about in the months that followed this police station visit. Is that OK? [She nods.]

Monsieur Pelicot was finding men online to rape you while you were heavily drugged. He would meticulously film those encounters. This was happening constantly: after your children came for dinner, while you were on vacation. There’s one moment you describe in the book when a crown came loose in your mouth. You write that it was because of “the violence of penises being repeatedly forced into my slack mouth.” When that crown started to move, I was eating breakfast, and Monsieur Pelicot was in front of me. Because of Covid, we can’t see the dentist. And I can’t get it out. But I know it’s going to fall off, and I’m afraid I might swallow it. And I ask Monsieur Pelicot, “Could you help?” He went to get some gauze to remove the crown, and I think to myself, How could it have given way? The day before, it wasn’t loose. And he says to me, “You must have bitten down on something.”

When I discovered the videos showing the violence these men inflicted on me, in my limp mouth — they have to hold my head because my face is falling, I have no muscle tone — and Monsieur Pelicot doesn’t even react. There is no empathy, no pity for this woman who is there, completely dead in her bed. It was incredibly violent to tell myself that even that, they didn’t spare me. [She starts to cry.]

I’m sorry. It’s OK.

Do you want to take a moment? No, it’s OK.

I’m sorry for what happened to you. It’s very important that people know. It’s shocking, I know.

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Five people seated against a wall behind three lawyers wearing black suits at a table.
Pelicot beside her daughter, Caroline Darian (second from left), and her sons Florian Pelicot (left) and David Pelicot, at the courthouse in Avignon, France.Credit...Christophe Simon/Agence France-Presse, via Getty Images

It’s shocking. As you’re processing this, you learned that the police have also found pictures of your daughters-in-law in the shower, and of your daughter, Caroline, asleep in underwear that she says she doesn’t recognize. And all three of your children are having to deal with what their father has done. Caroline ends up having a breakdown, she ends up being hospitalized. It must have been so difficult to balance being a victim yourself and having to be a mother of adult children in need. Suffering doesn’t necessarily bring a family together. You need to understand, it’s like an explosion that blows everything away. We try to recover, each in our own way and in our own time. It’s true that what Caroline went through is extremely painful. I’m deeply moved by her suffering, because this lingering doubt is an inescapable hell. There are no answers. There are those two photos of her asleep that open up a lot of questions. But I don’t have any answers, and Monsieur Pelicot didn’t give her any answers either.

I hope one day he feels remorse and finds it in himself to talk to his daughter. I know she’s in a lot of pain. I spoke to her this morning. We talk on the phone almost every day now. She’s suffering, and for a mother, that’s really hard. She’s 47 years old now. What she wants is to be recognized as a victim, because today, she’s not officially a victim. He has been condemned for taking all these images, but he was never condemned for what he did to Caroline.

It strikes me that, when earlier you were talking about how happy you were, and what a family person you were, how proud you were of being a parent and a grandparent, to have your family pulled apart in this way must have been very painful. It’s true that most of my life revolved around my family. All those memories, what can we do with them now? Because you can’t rewind your life.

In the book, you write about how you have struggled to reconcile your happy memories with the knowledge you have now about who Monsieur Pelicot was. You write: “If the last 50 years of my life were taken away from me, it would be as if I had never existed. I would be dead.” That’s a very complicated idea. Can you explain how you’ve tried to work through that? It might seem strange, but it’s a lot like grieving. You grieve for the life you had. I couldn’t erase all the good memories, because otherwise, I’d lose everything, and my existence would be void. So I held on to those good memories. It’s like sorting your laundry: You separate clean and dirty clothes. I set the dirty laundry aside and kept everything that was clean.

In France, victims of sexual violence have the right to have their identity protected during a trial. But you made an extraordinarily brave decision to waive your anonymity, allowing an open proceeding. Can you take me into that decision? How did you realize that this was something you wanted the world to see? It took me four years to make this decision. I wanted a closed trial, I didn’t want people to know who I was, I wanted this trial to be just the assailants and their lawyers. And one day, my daughter told me: “Mom, you’re doing them a huge favor. Think about it.” And it took four years, but one day I went on a walk by myself, and I realized she was right. When we carry this shame with us, it adds insult to injury, like being sentenced twice, because you keep inflicting that pain on yourself. Fighting that shame on an individual level, rejecting it for myself, also meant working for the collective.

I knew I had made the right call when, on Sept. 2, I walked into this hearing room with those 51 defendants and their 45 lawyers. The journalists were already in the room, but they knew they would have to walk out soon. No one expected what was about to happen. When the presiding judge said, “Ladies and gentlemen from the press, this is a closed hearing, please see yourselves out,” my lawyers stood up and said, “Your Honor, our client waives her right to a closed trial.” And then, I saw the way the defense was looking at me. They were staring, like, She dared to do this! The defendants were staring too, defiant, with something in their eyes. It’s dreadful for the victim. I told myself, “Hang in there, my dear, you’re going all the way.” And I held on, but they made me pay for it. They called me an accomplice, they said I was a woman who had consented, I was suspected. They tried to persuade the court that: “If she’s here, she must be responsible for what happened. Our clients are not guilty of what they did.” I can assure you that I didn’t flinch, not once. Until the very end, I held on. It takes guts. You have to be strong.

What was it like to see all those men in the courtroom, day after day? The first time I walked into that courtroom, I discovered their faces, because I didn’t know them. I had never met them, because I was always — I don’t like the word “asleep”; I was anesthetized, unconscious. And when I discovered their faces, ages 22 to 70 years old, it was really unbelievable to think, Those people came into my bedroom to rape me.

They were saying it hadn’t been rape. To them, it was the husband had consented, he had said, “You can come in.” They had logged onto a website, Coco.fr, in a chat room called “Without Her Knowledge.” They knew exactly what they were on trial for, but they had a way of discounting their guilt. They saw themselves, almost, as innocent.

This was tough for me, facing their gaze. Once, one of the accused kept staring at me, wanting to force me to look down. But then I just kept staring back until he lowered his eyes. He finally understood that I wouldn’t give in. They all tried to break me. Their lawyers were asking questions to destabilize me, humiliate me. That’s when I started to raise my voice, to put an end to this masquerade.

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A courtroom sketch of Pelicot giving testimony during the trial.Credit...Sipa, via Associated Press

Fortunately, I was lucky to have all this evidence: the pictures, the videos. Every time, they were asked, “Did you receive Madame Pelicot’s consent?” Obviously, most of them didn’t even know what that meant. They said, “Well … no.” “Did you rape Madame Pelicot?” They said, “Uh, no.” So, they were shown the videos. They were saying that Monsieur Pelicot had been pressuring them, that they were terrified of him, but when you look at the videos, there’s no trace of Monsieur Pelicot being violent. There is violence, sure, but they were the ones perpetrating it. Real violence, monstrosity, even.

They were in such denial that even after seeing the videos, when asked again, “Did you rape Madame Pelicot?” they still say no. It’s just unbelievable. And their wives came to testify, too, saying: “Of course not. My husband, my boyfriend would never do that.” I think I could have been one of those women, if the roles had been reversed. There was even a mother who was my age. She came to testify, talking about her “baby boy,” even though he was 45. That was another outlandish thing to hear: “My baby boy would be incapable of raping this woman.” She didn’t even look at me. This also was shocking and violent for me, because I wasn’t recognized. If her boy had raped me, then I must have been OK with it. That’s what she meant, basically.

You mentioned the role of the videos. Up until right before the trial, you had never watched them. It’s inconceivable to have to sit and watch that happen to you. But as you note, without those videos, you wouldn’t have had the proof to show these men were lying, and you probably wouldn’t have been believed. How do you think about that? When I decided I didn’t want a closed trial, my lawyers told me, “Careful, you refused to see them before, but now, you’ll have to watch.” I didn’t feel ready. I thought it would be very difficult for me. At some point, one of my lawyers said, “Now you do have to watch them.”

So we picked a day for me to lock myself in my office, and I watched them via videoconference. They asked me if I was ready. Obviously, you can never be ready to watch this kind of video. I thought, You said no to a closed trial, so you have to go through with this. My lawyer told me nicely, “Whenever you’re ready, Gisèle.” He started the first video. I think he actually started with one of the hardest to watch. Watching this is truly unbearable. You’re thinking, How is it even possible you’re seeing this? And you see the violence of these individuals. They’re animals. And you’re this disjointed, unconscious body, without a soul, with nothing left in it.

I didn’t watch all of them, as it would have taken a considerable amount of time. I don’t know how many of them there were — several of them per individual. I watched many of them. Each time, people asked me if I was all right. I was just taking it. It was like a boxer rolling with the punches. You fall and you get back up.

Once we were done, I needed to go for a walk. And that’s when my tears started streaming, and I thought, How could the man I shared my life with, the father of my children, have let these people come in? Because he knew what this was. That’s when you think: What was going on in his head? How could he not feel compassion at some point?

When I came back from my walk, I told my friend, “Listen, let’s talk about something else.” My brain had recorded it, but I put it in a corner of my mind. I thought, All right, we’ll be able to use them as evidence, because not all victims have this evidence. And we showed them at the trial, because they were denying it. But I didn’t watch them then. I looked at my phone, at pictures of the beach, of Mont Ventoux. That was my escape as they were watching me. What deeply shocked me, and it’s unbelievable to think about this, is that I could hear myself snore in the videos, because of how sedated I was. There was nothing left of me.

All of them were found guilty. That was a victory for me. I put myself in the shoes of other victims who are subjected to the same things. Because I don’t have any memory of it, this helped me put myself back together. But for victims who do have memories of what happened, can you imagine what goes through their head when they’re told that their case is closed without further action because of a lack of evidence? Because it’s one person’s word against another’s. It’s important to underline that. It must be really hard for these victims to put themselves back together.

One of the things that most people noticed about you during the trial was how collected you were — how well you dressed, how elegant you were. You write in the book that you had no choice but to be invincible. That feels like a heavy burden. I’ve always been elegant in my life because I’ve always been working. I think this comes from my parents. One of the lawyers for the defense asked one of my lawyers, “How come she’s always so elegant when she comes in in the morning?” And the more people said it to me, the more I took time to be elegant. It was also a way for me to prop up this tortured body. It was a way of saying, “You will not affect me.” That was the strength I had within me. When I woke up in the morning, I put on some music and asked myself, “What am I going to wear today?” Just to annoy them. [Laughs]

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Pelicot at the courthouse following the trial’s verdict in December 2024.Credit...Manon Cruz/Reuters

One of the most moving things at the trial was the women that came to support you. Every day they were clapping, chanting. And you were getting all these letters. What were people saying to you? I think this trial echoed their suffering. They recognized themselves, and my trial was also a way of doing them justice. At first I decided to be there for only two weeks, but then, because I saw them every morning when I came in, I felt a responsibility to see it through. They would come early, it was raining, it was cold, and I could see those women waiting for the courthouse to open its doors. It touched me deeply. Their presence outside the building softened what was happening for me inside the courtroom, and I thanked them for it.

I received thousands of letters from all over the world, which also surprised me. Not all of those women were victims, of course, but there was a lot of suffering in the letters. They thanked me for talking about it, because now they were no longer afraid to do it as well. I got so many messages from women telling me: “Thanks to you, I’m going to file a complaint. And it won’t be a closed-court trial.” Some even told me, “I’m going to divorce, I’m going to leave my husband.” That was also surprising. I think entire generations of women have been muzzled, and this trial enabled these women to talk openly.

In the end, Monsieur Pelicot was sentenced to 20 years in prison, the maximum. All the others received varying sentences. Was justice served? For me, it was. The sentence doesn’t matter. Monsieur Pelicot was sentenced to 20 years. He was the ringleader of this whole masquerade, this sordid affair. As for the others, what mattered to me was that they had been found guilty, which is why I did not contest their sentences. My children were shocked by the sentences some of them received.

Not all the men in the videos have been identified. Some of them are still out there. That must be hard for you. I try not to think too much about it. Sometimes, when I cross paths with a man, I think, What if … ? In Avignon, I met a man who paid for my meal. I had gone to pay my bill. I was lunching with my lawyers before heading back to the courtroom in the afternoon. And they told me, “Your meal has been paid for.” I said, “No, that’s not possible.” They said, “Yes, by the man over there.” I went to thank him and asked him where he lived. He lived not far from Mazan. Once we had finished talking, I said to my lawyers, “What if he is one of my rapists who wasn’t arrested?” Of course I thought about it. I no longer do, or at least less often. I’m not paranoid. But I could cross paths with one of these men who knows me even though I don’t know him. I sometimes think about that. But then I quickly try to stop.

God, that’s so hard. One of the things, as you note, that came out at the trial is real shock over how many men in a small village could be rapists. One was even your neighbor. And Mazan is not unique. There’s nothing special about it. What can we understand from that? I don’t think my story is an isolated case. I’ve learned about stories that are similar to mine. Not long ago, I learned about a case, I think it was in Germany, where a man raped his wife for 15 years. He “offered” her to other men. This says a lot about men’s behavior, but we should not think all men would do this. That’s another important point to note. Because if we start saying all men are rapists, that’s going to become a real problem. What I really believe is that we need to educate our children at a very early age. I don’t know what kind of education these men received. Most had extremely hard journeys through life; some were raped themselves. But having suffered as a child doesn’t mean you should repeat the same pattern.

Monsieur Pelicot is now under investigation for two earlier crimes, including one from 1999, in which he is accused of attempting to rape a young woman using ether. The crime was a cold case until his arrest, and he eventually confessed to the assault after DNA evidence linked him to it. How did that change your understanding of who he was and the crimes against you? Because it seems that this behavior was going on for longer than even the police had realized. I learned about this case in November 2022, two years after I discovered the horror I had been subjected to. The day I got this call from the investigative team in Nanterre, I didn’t even understand what they were talking about, because I was completely tangled up in my own story. I said, “Yes, I know about Monsieur Pelicot’s case.” The investigator on the phone told me: “We’re not talking about the same case. We’re talking about a case that took place in ’99 in Paris.” Good thing I was sitting, because I think I would have collapsed on the floor. It was as if a bomb had gone off for a second time.

I asked myself, “How did I not notice any signs?” He must have come home that evening, because he always came home in the evening. We must have sat down at the dinner table with the children. I most likely cooked him a meal. And that evening, he behaved as if nothing had happened. Even the children didn’t notice anything. We didn’t notice that he wasn’t in a good mood. I didn’t notice stains on his suit. I didn’t notice any scratches, because I think this young woman most likely fought back. Once again, he managed to put up a wall. He showed us one of his two faces: a considerate, caring man. But we didn’t see the other face. He was actually Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

He is also currently being investigated for the rape and murder of another woman in the early 1990s, which he denies. I still hope today that he is not the author of this crime. For now, he is presumed innocent. But I really hope that this family will get the truth. I don’t know how her mother can keep enduring this today. If he’s guilty, we’ll have no choice but to accept it, of course, and it will be another hellish journey for his children and for me.

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Several thousand people staging a demonstration in support of Pelicot and all victims of rape at the Place de la République in Paris on Sept. 14, 2024.Credit...Mohamad Salaheldin Abdelg Alsayed/Anadolu, via Getty Images

I want to touch again on the effect on your family, which we talked about earlier. There was a moment Caroline wasn’t speaking to you because she felt that you didn’t support her fully, and now that relationship seems to have been repaired. Can you talk to me a little bit about some of the challenges that you’ve faced with your daughter? As my case started to evolve, the investigating judge didn’t push the investigation concerning Caroline, because I think there were so many defendants in my case, and there was all this evidence showing these rapes. For Caroline, there were two pictures that raised questions. There was indeed the father’s incestuous gaze on his daughter. I never denied it. But I tried to tell Caroline: “You know, maybe …” Because I didn’t want her to suffer. Because while I was trying to have this shell, my daughter has a different character. I think she’s more fragile than I am. And I didn’t want her to plunge into this pain. So it’s true, I might have inadequately supported her at first.

She was angry at me because of it, which is entirely reasonable. But I didn’t abandon her; I tried to alleviate her suffering. I don’t think she saw it that way. And that’s why she put some distance between us. I think she felt I wasn’t trying to understand what she was going through. It’s not that I wasn’t trying to understand. I was trying to lift her toward the light, because I didn’t want her to fall apart. I never gave myself permission to fall apart in front of my children. But she had a right to fall apart. Especially as he’s her father. She was extremely close to her father.

As time went by, I also put some distance between us. Maybe this was a way to protect myself, because her hatred and anger is something I had trouble carrying. By putting some distance, I thought, That way she’ll be able to heal, to find peace. Yet as of now, she still hasn’t.

I underwent surgery toward the end of November, and at Christmas, she called to ask how I was doing. I got a sense that she had a need for me to be closer to her. That’s what’s happening now. I’m being very careful, because there’s still a lot of hatred and anger toward her father, but she realized I wasn’t the one responsible for it. I think she might have conflated her father and me. So now I think she’s thinking, My mother is not responsible for any of it.

Have you seen each other? No, not yet. But she’s sent me videos of my grandson playing rugby. I got a call from her just this morning. I think we’ll be seeing each other.

At the end of the book, you say you want to go and speak to Monsieur Pelicot in prison. Have you done that yet? And what do you need to know? Not yet, but I want to do it, because I hope that when we’re face to face, he’ll be able to tell me the truth, both about his daughter and about everything else he’s now accused of. Maybe he’ll have some remorse. I’m still holding on to that hope. Maybe I’m naïve, maybe I won’t get an answer. But I hope I’ll be able to get the answers he was unable to provide in front of Avignon’s criminal court. Maybe he’ll say, “I need to free my conscience.” That’s why I want to go.

It’s going to be very hard if it happens. Yes, I do think it will be a difficult moment for me. I’ve never set foot inside a prison. I imagine he must be in solitary confinement. I imagine he has changed a lot. But he’s there because he did what he did. It’s not as if he was sent there by accident. But I do hope he’ll have some remorse. If he’s actually capable of it — and that, I don’t know.

There were four years between Monsieur Pelicot’s arrest and the trial. In this period, you ended up moving to a small French island, you made new friends, and you found love again. I think many people would find that incredible, that you could trust a man again. I had never imagined falling in love again, or even that it could be something I would want. To me, it was impossible. We had mutual friends, and one of those friends threw a party, and I met this man who also had a difficult journey, because for 10 years, he took care of his wife, who had a severe illness, and he stayed with her until her dying breath.

We talked a lot. We were two battered souls. He didn’t know much about me, hadn’t read a lot about my case in the press, and of course, I was reluctant to tell him about what I went through. It could scare him off, to think, Who really is this woman? And actually, it happened naturally. He had read a piece in Le Monde, and he’s the one who started talking to me about my story. He made me comfortable. Then we started dating, and then we fell in love. We thought, maybe it won’t last. Then, we went to the opera to see “Carmen.” We were two teenagers. I had my first kiss on the day we saw “Carmen," and I thought, Yes, maybe there’s something there. He changed my life, he truly did. I trust him fully, because I think he’s a very beautiful soul. You might tell me, “You also trusted Monsieur Pelicot,” but I don’t think he has that perversion. He didn’t have the same childhood Monsieur Pelicot had. He had a happy childhood, and I know his children, his family and friends, and I think we’re going to do great things together. I think we’ll make the most of these beautiful years we have left, and I hope they’ll last very long.

You know, Gisèle — can I call you Gisèle? Yes, of course. “Gisèle” was chanted all over the world. “Thank you, Gisèle.” So of course.

Gisèle, I am curious. We’ve talked about your mind and how you have, as you say, been able to stay standing all this time. But after everything that you’ve physically gone through, how do you feel about your own body? I was able to heal myself. I go on walks, on bike rides. I’m fortunate to be living on a beautiful island. I feel good in my mind and my body. I’m all right with the age I am now, 73. It’s not easy. You get more and more wrinkles. But I’m all right with them because I’m fortunate to have these wrinkles, which my mother never got to have. That’s important. [She starts to cry.] As you see, I still get emotional when I talk about her. I’m lucky to be alive.

 THE NEW YORK TIMES